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Two Sides of the Same Storm: Understanding the Intersection of Anxiety and Depression

Introduction: A Personal Note

For many of us in recovery, we came to DA thinking we just had depression—until we realized we were also battling something else beneath the surface: anxiety.

This was certainly true for me, sure I had dealt with anxious moments and looking back I can see that I interpreted anxiety as stress. However these weren’t regular concerns and were at best sporadic, until I found myself in a severe depressive episode for 3 years, following which I was diagnosed with MDD, Major Depressive Disorder.

The anxiety was secondary to the bone deep sadness but it was there, a constant that would rear up. At the very least it would complicate my depression further but at times it felt like my heart would suddenly stop because it was beating so fast.

Whether it showed up as racing thoughts, obsessive worries, social dread, or chest-tightening panic, anxiety often walks hand-in-hand with depression, complicating both diagnosis and healing. These two conditions can seem like opposites, one sluggish, one agitated, but in truth, they often share the same root system.

Understanding how anxiety and depression intersect can help us untangle our emotions, validate our lived experiences, and take more effective steps toward recovery. This article explores how they relate, why they frequently show up together, and what we can do when they do.

I hope it helps.

Section 1: Shared Symptoms, Different Faces

“Having anxiety and depression is like being scared and tired at the same time. It’s the fear of failure, coupled with no urge to be productive. It’s wanting friends but hating socializing. It’s wanting to be alone but not wanting to be lonely.”
From “What Does Depression Feel Like?”

Anxiety and depression are distinct diagnoses, but they often present overlapping symptoms that can confuse even experienced clinicians. This overlap can also lead to misdiagnosis or underdiagnosis, especially in people who have learned to mask or intellectualize their distress.

Shared Symptom Anxiety Depression
Trouble sleeping Racing thoughts, restlessness Early waking, low energy
Poor concentration Distracted by fear and worry Foggy thinking, low motivation
Physical tension Muscle tightness, stomach issues Heaviness, body fatigue
Irritability Hyper-alert, easily triggered Easily overwhelmed, emotionally numb
Sense of dread Fear of what might happen Hopelessness that nothing will change

What differs is the direction of energy. Anxiety feels like a motor revving too high. Depression feels like the battery’s gone flat. But both come from a dysregulated nervous system—just two sides of the same storm. In practice, many people swing between both poles, which can make day-to-day functioning unpredictable and exhausting.

Section 2: Why They Show Up Together

“Worrying doesn’t empty tomorrow of its sorrows; it empties today of its strengths.”
Corrie Ten Boom

Roughly 60–70% of people with depression also experience anxiety. It’s not a coincidence—these conditions often grow from the same soil and thrive in the same environments. If we think of them as plants, anxiety is the vine wrapping tightly around your chest, and depression is the slow wilting of your will to move.

Brain Chemistry Imbalance:
Both conditions involve disrupted neurotransmitters—serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine—which affect mood, motivation, and stress response. When these chemicals are out of balance, even basic functions like sleep, appetite, and attention become compromised.

Chronic Stress and Cortisol:
When the body is under constant stress, it releases cortisol. Over time, this “stress hormone” wears down your brain’s fear-regulation and mood-regulation centers. Think of it like an alarm that never gets shut off—it keeps the system on high alert until it crashes. This wears down the hippocampus, impairs memory, and can shrink the prefrontal cortex—the area responsible for decision-making and emotional regulation.

Neuroplasticity (In Simple Terms):
The brain learns from experience, good or bad. The more time we spend in anxious or depressed states, the more wired-in they become. But the reverse is also true: we can rewire our brains through new, healing experiences. Every time we reach out for help, take a small risk, or try something new, we plant seeds of recovery in our neural pathways.

Emotional Exhaustion:
Living with constant anxiety such as hypervigilance, intrusive thoughts and shame can wear us down until collapse. That collapse is often depression. Likewise, being stuck in depression, feeling useless or numb, can trigger anxiety about falling behind, failing others, or never recovering.

This collapse is not weakness. It’s a nervous system that’s overloaded and out of balance. It’s a biological and psychological consequence of too much fear with too little relief.

That’s why recovery can feel so confusing: do we treat the sadness or the fear? The answer is both. Because they often show up together—and heal together too. DA provides a structure for emotional and spiritual maintenance, but it’s okay to seek support beyond it if you’re navigating both conditions at once.


Section 3: The Cycle of Mutual Reinforcement

“Anxiety is a thin stream of fear trickling through the mind. If encouraged, it cuts a channel into which all other thoughts are drained.”
Arthur Somers Roche

Anxiety and depression feed off each other. They create what I call “A Paralyzing Spiral”—a loop of fear, shame, and inaction that deepens the longer it runs. Once inside this loop, we often lose access to clarity, motivation, and even language for what we’re experiencing.

Here’s how that can look:

What if I mess up the meeting?
→ “I’m going to fail again.”
→ “Why even bother?”
→ Isolation, numbness, more fear next time.
→ Delay, dread, despair.
→ Repeat.

Avoidance plays a key role. You might put off checking your bank balance, calling a friend, or starting something important. Anxiety says “What if it goes badly?” Depression follows up with “Why try?” Eventually, you stop doing the things that once brought relief, further deepening the cycle.

The more we avoid, the more guilt and dread we feel—just like the addiction cycle. Many of us in DA know this rhythm well: discomfort → avoid → short-term relief → worse long-term pain. The spiral is exhausting—but it can be interrupted. Naming the pattern is the first step to weakening it.


Section 4: What This Means in Recovery

“Good humor is a tonic for mind and body. It is the best antidote for anxiety and depression…”
Grenville Kleiser

If you’re working the Steps and still feel stuck, anxious, or flooded—it’s not a failure. It might be anxiety interfering with your ability to heal. Recovery is rarely linear, and our emotional barriers often surface at different points in the journey.

  • You’ve done Step 4, but you lie awake replaying what you should have said.
  • You want a sponsor, but the idea of reaching out makes your chest tighten.
  • You want to share in a meeting, but you’re convinced you’ll say the wrong thing.
  • You start to feel better—and then panic, waiting for the other shoe to drop.

This isn’t laziness or resistance, it’s often unconscious self-sabotage driven by fear. For trauma survivors, it can also be emotional flashbacks such as when an interaction triggers a flood of emotion from the past, and you suddenly feel unsafe, ashamed, or small. These flashbacks are not memories in the traditional sense but full-body reactions that reflect unresolved emotional trauma.

DA work may stir old wounds.

Knowing this can help you approach your recovery with more self-compassion, not judgment. Bringing these patterns into the light with a sponsor or trusted peer can ease the intensity and help you stay present for the process.


Section 5: Tools That Help Both

“When you’re going through hell, keep going.”
Winston Churchill

The best part? Many of the tools that help with depression also soothe anxiety—when practiced with intention and patience. Even small, imperfect efforts can send signals of safety to a nervous system stuck in survival mode.

Why Behavioral Activation Works:
Action creates feedback. When we move our body, make a call, or complete something small, it tells the brain: “I can do hard things.” This rewires the circuits of avoidance and helplessness. The reward doesn’t come first—it comes after we take the step. The trick is doing the thing even if it feels pointless in the moment.

Three Step-Focused Practices for Anxiety Awareness:

  1. 10th Step Check-ins: Ask “What fear drove my choices today?” Write it down or voice-note it.
  2. Fear Inventory in Step 4: Write out fears as patterns, not just events. Look for recurring beliefs: “I’m not good enough,” “They’ll leave me,” etc.
  3. DA Call and Response: When anxious, call someone with a structure: “Here’s what I’m afraid of, here’s what I’m doing anyway.” Even just voicing the fear can take away its power.

When to Seek Clinical Help:
If anxiety or depression blocks you from doing basic DA work (eating, sleeping, sharing, calling), it’s okay to seek therapy or medication. These are not betrayals of the Steps—they can make the Steps more accessible. Sometimes we need support regulating the nervous system before we can fully show up emotionally or spiritually.


Section 6: A Word on Shame

“I often wonder how many others are sitting near me, stuck in their own quiet battles…”
Carlee J. Hansen

Shame is the silent partner to both anxiety and depression. It tells us we’re broken, unlovable, or weak for feeling this way. It tells us we’re a burden. That we’re falling behind. That we should be better by now.

Here’s the truth: there’s a difference between toxic shame and healthy remorse.

  • Remorse says, “I made a mistake.”
  • Toxic shame says, “I am a mistake.”

As Brené Brown writes, “Shame is the intensely painful feeling or experience of believing that we are flawed and therefore unworthy of love and belonging.”
This is what’s called a disconnection wound—the kind of emotional pain that comes from being unseen, unheard, or unaccepted by the people we needed most. That wound doesn’t disappear just because we join a program. In fact, recovery often exposes how deep that wound runs.

Sometimes, depression and anxiety aren’t just brain chemistry—they’re survival strategies. Emotional numbness is often how the body protects itself from overwhelming feelings, especially if those feelings were never safe to express. Many of us grew up learning that vulnerability was dangerous, that tears meant weakness, or that we had to hold it all together.

If that’s your story, you’re not lazy. You’re not cold. You’re healing. And you’re not alone.


Conclusion: Calm Within the Storm

Anxiety screams. Depression whispers. But both are asking the same thing: Am I safe? Am I allowed to feel this?

It’s okay not to have the answer yet.

“Anxiety is the lightning. Depression is the fog. But both can clear when we step outside our heads and into connection.”

So take one small step. Call someone. Go to a meeting. Do something that tells your brain, “I’m allowed to live.” Even a deep breath counts.

Recovery isn’t about doing it perfectly. It’s about knowing you don’t have to do it alone.

The Dopamine Trap: Why Depression Makes Even Fun Things Feel Like a Chore

The Strange Effect of Depression on Enjoyment

Imagine this: You finally have some free time. You sit down to play a game, read a book, or pick up an old hobby—but something feels wrong. The excitement you once felt is gone. The activity that used to bring you joy now feels exhausting, almost like a chore. Instead of looking forward to it, you procrastinate, feeling guilty that you “should” be enjoying it.

If this sounds familiar, you’re not alone. One of the most frustrating aspects of depression is that it robs you of motivation and pleasure, even for things you used to love. This phenomenon isn’t just about mood; it’s rooted in neuroscience, particularly in how dopamine, the brain’s motivation and reward chemical, functions.

This article explores why depression makes fun things feel like work, how dopamine plays a role, and what you can do to break the cycle—with the help of evidence-based strategies from Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (DBT), and neuroscience-backed techniques.

Why Hobbies Stop Feeling Rewarding: The Role of Dopamine Dysregulation

To understand why hobbies stop feeling enjoyable, we first need to look at how dopamine works and what happens when it becomes dysregulated.

Dopamine: More Than Just a “Feel-Good” Chemical

Dopamine is a neurotransmitter that regulates motivation, anticipation, and effort—not just pleasure itself. It helps your brain determine what is worth doing and provides the drive to pursue rewarding activities.

  • In a healthy brain, dopamine is released in response to an anticipated reward, reinforcing behaviors that lead to pleasure or fulfillment.
  • In depression, however, this system doesn’t function properly. Rewards don’t trigger the expected dopamine response, making even enjoyable activities feel unrewarding or exhausting.

How Dopamine Function Becomes Disrupted

Dopamine dysregulation in depression happens due to a combination of biological, psychological, and environmental factors:

  1. Chronic Stress and Cortisol Overload
    • When the brain is under prolonged stress, cortisol (the stress hormone) increases.
    • Excessive cortisol interferes with dopamine production and signaling, making it harder for the brain to recognize rewards.
    • Studies have shown that high cortisol levels blunt dopamine transmission, contributing to anhedonia (Pizzagalli, 2014).
  2. Reduced Dopamine Receptor Sensitivity
    • Over time, if dopamine is not used efficiently, the brain reduces the sensitivity of dopamine receptors.
    • This means that even when you engage in an activity that should be rewarding, the brain fails to process the pleasure properly.
  3. Lack of Novelty and Dopamine Burnout
    • The dopamine system thrives on variety and challenge. When life becomes repetitive or monotonous, dopamine activity naturally declines.
    • If a person is stuck in the same routine with little variation, they stop associating hobbies with excitement, making them feel more like obligations.
  4. Inflammation and Neural Fatigue
    • Research suggests that inflammation in the brain can lower dopamine levels and contribute to depression-related fatigue (Felger & Lotrich, 2013).
    • This can make even small tasks feel overwhelming, as the brain doesn’t generate enough energy to initiate effort.
  5. Avoidance Behavior and Dopamine Deprivation
    • Depression often causes avoidance behaviors—people stop doing things because they expect them to be exhausting or unfulfilling.
    • But avoidance itself deprives the brain of dopamine, reinforcing the cycle of low motivation and anhedonia.

In short, dopamine dysfunction in depression isn’t just a lack of pleasure—it’s a system-wide failure of motivation, anticipation, and effort regulation.

The Difference Between Wanting vs. Enjoying an Activity

One of the biggest mental traps in depression is the belief that not wanting to do something means you don’t actually enjoy it. This false belief can lead to unnecessary self-doubt and reinforce avoidance behaviors.

“I Don’t Want To” vs. “I Don’t Enjoy It”

  • Depression makes it hard to start activities, but that doesn’t necessarily mean the activity itself has lost all meaning or value.
  • Some people still enjoy things once they start, but the initial activation energy required to begin feels too high.
  • Others experience “numb pleasure”—going through the motions of an activity but feeling disconnected from it.

Why This Belief Develops in Depression

This mental distortion happens because depression disrupts the way the brain anticipates rewards. Instead of expecting something to feel good, the brain expects it to be effortful or empty, making motivation harder to access.

🔹 Key study: Research shows that depressed individuals tend to underestimate future enjoyment, even when they later report having liked the activity once they started (Dunn et al., 2011).

CBT Insight: The “Emotional Reasoning” Trap

Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) identifies this thinking pattern as “emotional reasoning”—the belief that because you don’t feel like doing something, it must not be worth doing (Beck, 1979).

The truth? Motivation often follows action, not the other way around.

CBT practitioners emphasize that small actions can create momentum, even if motivation is low at first. This is why behavioral activation—starting with small, manageable activities—is a core part of depression treatment (Dimidjian et al., 2006).

How to Reignite Interest in Hobbies (Without Forcing Fun)

The key to rebuilding motivation isn’t about waiting for inspiration to strike—it’s about using small, intentional actions to reignite engagement.

1. The 5-Minute Rule: Trick Your Brain Into Starting (CBT – Behavioral Activation)

One of the biggest hurdles in depression is getting started. The 5-Minute Rule helps bypass this resistance:

👉 Tell yourself, “I’ll do this for just five minutes.”

Why it works:

  • It removes pressure—five minutes feels manageable.
  • Once you start, you often keep going.
  • Even if you stop after five minutes, you’ve still disrupted avoidance behavior (a key CBT principle).

🔹 Example Behavioral Activation Activities Using the 5-Minute Rule:
Draw a single line on paper. If you feel like continuing, do so. If not, you still did something.
Put on workout clothes. You don’t have to exercise—just wear them for five minutes.
Read one paragraph. If you want to stop, stop—but more often than not, you’ll keep reading.

2. Micro-Rewards: Hacking Dopamine with Small Wins

When depression reduces the brain’s ability to anticipate pleasure, introducing small, tangible rewards can help rebuild dopamine associations.

💡 Ways to introduce micro-rewards:
Checklists (crossing things off provides a dopamine boost).
Listening to music while engaging in activities.
Gamifying tasks (using apps like Habitica to turn chores into a game).

3. Curiosity Over Fun: Lowering the Expectation (DBT – Radical Acceptance)

If nothing feels fun, shift your focus from “enjoyment” to curiosity.

👉 Instead of asking, “Do I feel like doing this?”, try: “What if I just explore it?”

📌 Low-pressure ideas:

  • Watch a random documentary.
  • Learn a single new fact.
  • Doodle without the pressure of creating something “good.”

🔹 DBT encourages radical acceptance—the idea that you don’t have to like your current situation to engage with it. This can help reduce the pressure of trying to “force” enjoyment (Linehan, 1993).

4. Change the Medium: A New Way to Engage

Maybe the format is the problem, not the hobby itself.

Try a different version:

  • Books feel overwhelming? Try audiobooks.
  • Gaming feels empty? Try multiplayer or cooperative games.
  • Used to write? Try voice memos instead of full drafts.

5. Body Before Mind: Use Physical Priming (CBT + DBT – Opposite Action)

  • Physical movement increases dopamine and energy.
  • Even small actions (stretching, walking, cold exposure) can help jumpstart motivation.

🔹 Research shows that light exposure, movement, and cold stimulation can increase dopamine levels, potentially improving mood regulation (Caldwell & Wetherell, 2020).

Conclusion: Redefining “Enjoyment” During Depression

Depression makes motivation difficult, but not impossible. The feeling that hobbies are meaningless or exhausting is not a permanent state—it’s a reflection of how depression affects the brain’s ability to anticipate and experience rewards. This means that even if an activity doesn’t feel enjoyable right now, that doesn’t mean it’s lost its value forever.

The most important thing to remember is that you don’t have to wait to feel motivated before you take action. In fact, waiting for motivation often reinforces the cycle of avoidance. Taking small, intentional steps—without pressure—helps signal to the brain that engagement is still possible.

How to Approach Recovery: Small, Intentional Shifts

  • Start small. Even the smallest action—reading a sentence, pressing play on a song, stepping outside for one minute—can help break the cycle of avoidance and retrain the brain to associate activities with engagement rather than exhaustion.
  • Focus on curiosity over pressure. Instead of trying to “force” enjoyment, allow yourself to explore, experiment, and experience things without expectation. Sometimes, curiosity itself is enough to create momentum.
  • Remember that action precedes motivation. Depression tells you that you should wait to “feel” like doing something before acting. But in reality, taking action—even in small ways—creates the conditions for motivation to follow.

Progress Is Not Linear—And That’s Okay

Rebuilding motivation is not about pushing yourself to feel joy immediately. It’s about creating opportunities for engagement—even if that engagement feels different from before. Some days, you might find enjoyment, while other days, everything may still feel numb. Both experiences are part of recovery.

If an activity feels unbearable, try a smaller version of it. If it still doesn’t feel rewarding, that’s okay too. The goal is not perfection—the goal is persistence.

The Science of Hope: Dopamine Pathways Can Recover

One of the most encouraging findings in neuroscience is that dopamine pathways can regenerate. Research suggests that with time, engagement, and small behavioral changes, the brain can restore its ability to anticipate and experience pleasure (Heller et al., 2009). This means that the feeling of enjoyment can return—even if it feels out of reach right now.

Final Takeaway

Depression may make hobbies feel meaningless, but that doesn’t mean they are. You are not broken, and your capacity for joy is not lost—it is just temporarily inaccessible. By taking small steps, embracing curiosity, and shifting focus from pressure to exploration, you can gradually rebuild your connection to the things that once brought you happiness.

Until then, remember: even small steps forward are still steps forward.