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Two Sides of the Same Storm: Understanding the Intersection of Anxiety and Depression

Introduction: A Personal Note

For many of us in recovery, we came to DA thinking we just had depression—until we realized we were also battling something else beneath the surface: anxiety.

This was certainly true for me, sure I had dealt with anxious moments and looking back I can see that I interpreted anxiety as stress. However these weren’t regular concerns and were at best sporadic, until I found myself in a severe depressive episode for 3 years, following which I was diagnosed with MDD, Major Depressive Disorder.

The anxiety was secondary to the bone deep sadness but it was there, a constant that would rear up. At the very least it would complicate my depression further but at times it felt like my heart would suddenly stop because it was beating so fast.

Whether it showed up as racing thoughts, obsessive worries, social dread, or chest-tightening panic, anxiety often walks hand-in-hand with depression, complicating both diagnosis and healing. These two conditions can seem like opposites, one sluggish, one agitated, but in truth, they often share the same root system.

Understanding how anxiety and depression intersect can help us untangle our emotions, validate our lived experiences, and take more effective steps toward recovery. This article explores how they relate, why they frequently show up together, and what we can do when they do.

I hope it helps.

Section 1: Shared Symptoms, Different Faces

“Having anxiety and depression is like being scared and tired at the same time. It’s the fear of failure, coupled with no urge to be productive. It’s wanting friends but hating socializing. It’s wanting to be alone but not wanting to be lonely.”
From “What Does Depression Feel Like?”

Anxiety and depression are distinct diagnoses, but they often present overlapping symptoms that can confuse even experienced clinicians. This overlap can also lead to misdiagnosis or underdiagnosis, especially in people who have learned to mask or intellectualize their distress.

Shared Symptom Anxiety Depression
Trouble sleeping Racing thoughts, restlessness Early waking, low energy
Poor concentration Distracted by fear and worry Foggy thinking, low motivation
Physical tension Muscle tightness, stomach issues Heaviness, body fatigue
Irritability Hyper-alert, easily triggered Easily overwhelmed, emotionally numb
Sense of dread Fear of what might happen Hopelessness that nothing will change

What differs is the direction of energy. Anxiety feels like a motor revving too high. Depression feels like the battery’s gone flat. But both come from a dysregulated nervous system—just two sides of the same storm. In practice, many people swing between both poles, which can make day-to-day functioning unpredictable and exhausting.

Section 2: Why They Show Up Together

“Worrying doesn’t empty tomorrow of its sorrows; it empties today of its strengths.”
Corrie Ten Boom

Roughly 60–70% of people with depression also experience anxiety. It’s not a coincidence—these conditions often grow from the same soil and thrive in the same environments. If we think of them as plants, anxiety is the vine wrapping tightly around your chest, and depression is the slow wilting of your will to move.

Brain Chemistry Imbalance:
Both conditions involve disrupted neurotransmitters—serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine—which affect mood, motivation, and stress response. When these chemicals are out of balance, even basic functions like sleep, appetite, and attention become compromised.

Chronic Stress and Cortisol:
When the body is under constant stress, it releases cortisol. Over time, this “stress hormone” wears down your brain’s fear-regulation and mood-regulation centers. Think of it like an alarm that never gets shut off—it keeps the system on high alert until it crashes. This wears down the hippocampus, impairs memory, and can shrink the prefrontal cortex—the area responsible for decision-making and emotional regulation.

Neuroplasticity (In Simple Terms):
The brain learns from experience, good or bad. The more time we spend in anxious or depressed states, the more wired-in they become. But the reverse is also true: we can rewire our brains through new, healing experiences. Every time we reach out for help, take a small risk, or try something new, we plant seeds of recovery in our neural pathways.

Emotional Exhaustion:
Living with constant anxiety such as hypervigilance, intrusive thoughts and shame can wear us down until collapse. That collapse is often depression. Likewise, being stuck in depression, feeling useless or numb, can trigger anxiety about falling behind, failing others, or never recovering.

This collapse is not weakness. It’s a nervous system that’s overloaded and out of balance. It’s a biological and psychological consequence of too much fear with too little relief.

That’s why recovery can feel so confusing: do we treat the sadness or the fear? The answer is both. Because they often show up together—and heal together too. DA provides a structure for emotional and spiritual maintenance, but it’s okay to seek support beyond it if you’re navigating both conditions at once.


Section 3: The Cycle of Mutual Reinforcement

“Anxiety is a thin stream of fear trickling through the mind. If encouraged, it cuts a channel into which all other thoughts are drained.”
Arthur Somers Roche

Anxiety and depression feed off each other. They create what I call “A Paralyzing Spiral”—a loop of fear, shame, and inaction that deepens the longer it runs. Once inside this loop, we often lose access to clarity, motivation, and even language for what we’re experiencing.

Here’s how that can look:

What if I mess up the meeting?
→ “I’m going to fail again.”
→ “Why even bother?”
→ Isolation, numbness, more fear next time.
→ Delay, dread, despair.
→ Repeat.

Avoidance plays a key role. You might put off checking your bank balance, calling a friend, or starting something important. Anxiety says “What if it goes badly?” Depression follows up with “Why try?” Eventually, you stop doing the things that once brought relief, further deepening the cycle.

The more we avoid, the more guilt and dread we feel—just like the addiction cycle. Many of us in DA know this rhythm well: discomfort → avoid → short-term relief → worse long-term pain. The spiral is exhausting—but it can be interrupted. Naming the pattern is the first step to weakening it.


Section 4: What This Means in Recovery

“Good humor is a tonic for mind and body. It is the best antidote for anxiety and depression…”
Grenville Kleiser

If you’re working the Steps and still feel stuck, anxious, or flooded—it’s not a failure. It might be anxiety interfering with your ability to heal. Recovery is rarely linear, and our emotional barriers often surface at different points in the journey.

  • You’ve done Step 4, but you lie awake replaying what you should have said.
  • You want a sponsor, but the idea of reaching out makes your chest tighten.
  • You want to share in a meeting, but you’re convinced you’ll say the wrong thing.
  • You start to feel better—and then panic, waiting for the other shoe to drop.

This isn’t laziness or resistance, it’s often unconscious self-sabotage driven by fear. For trauma survivors, it can also be emotional flashbacks such as when an interaction triggers a flood of emotion from the past, and you suddenly feel unsafe, ashamed, or small. These flashbacks are not memories in the traditional sense but full-body reactions that reflect unresolved emotional trauma.

DA work may stir old wounds.

Knowing this can help you approach your recovery with more self-compassion, not judgment. Bringing these patterns into the light with a sponsor or trusted peer can ease the intensity and help you stay present for the process.


Section 5: Tools That Help Both

“When you’re going through hell, keep going.”
Winston Churchill

The best part? Many of the tools that help with depression also soothe anxiety—when practiced with intention and patience. Even small, imperfect efforts can send signals of safety to a nervous system stuck in survival mode.

Why Behavioral Activation Works:
Action creates feedback. When we move our body, make a call, or complete something small, it tells the brain: “I can do hard things.” This rewires the circuits of avoidance and helplessness. The reward doesn’t come first—it comes after we take the step. The trick is doing the thing even if it feels pointless in the moment.

Three Step-Focused Practices for Anxiety Awareness:

  1. 10th Step Check-ins: Ask “What fear drove my choices today?” Write it down or voice-note it.
  2. Fear Inventory in Step 4: Write out fears as patterns, not just events. Look for recurring beliefs: “I’m not good enough,” “They’ll leave me,” etc.
  3. DA Call and Response: When anxious, call someone with a structure: “Here’s what I’m afraid of, here’s what I’m doing anyway.” Even just voicing the fear can take away its power.

When to Seek Clinical Help:
If anxiety or depression blocks you from doing basic DA work (eating, sleeping, sharing, calling), it’s okay to seek therapy or medication. These are not betrayals of the Steps—they can make the Steps more accessible. Sometimes we need support regulating the nervous system before we can fully show up emotionally or spiritually.


Section 6: A Word on Shame

“I often wonder how many others are sitting near me, stuck in their own quiet battles…”
Carlee J. Hansen

Shame is the silent partner to both anxiety and depression. It tells us we’re broken, unlovable, or weak for feeling this way. It tells us we’re a burden. That we’re falling behind. That we should be better by now.

Here’s the truth: there’s a difference between toxic shame and healthy remorse.

  • Remorse says, “I made a mistake.”
  • Toxic shame says, “I am a mistake.”

As Brené Brown writes, “Shame is the intensely painful feeling or experience of believing that we are flawed and therefore unworthy of love and belonging.”
This is what’s called a disconnection wound—the kind of emotional pain that comes from being unseen, unheard, or unaccepted by the people we needed most. That wound doesn’t disappear just because we join a program. In fact, recovery often exposes how deep that wound runs.

Sometimes, depression and anxiety aren’t just brain chemistry—they’re survival strategies. Emotional numbness is often how the body protects itself from overwhelming feelings, especially if those feelings were never safe to express. Many of us grew up learning that vulnerability was dangerous, that tears meant weakness, or that we had to hold it all together.

If that’s your story, you’re not lazy. You’re not cold. You’re healing. And you’re not alone.


Conclusion: Calm Within the Storm

Anxiety screams. Depression whispers. But both are asking the same thing: Am I safe? Am I allowed to feel this?

It’s okay not to have the answer yet.

“Anxiety is the lightning. Depression is the fog. But both can clear when we step outside our heads and into connection.”

So take one small step. Call someone. Go to a meeting. Do something that tells your brain, “I’m allowed to live.” Even a deep breath counts.

Recovery isn’t about doing it perfectly. It’s about knowing you don’t have to do it alone.

No Depressed Anonymous meeting in your community? We have a solution.

We all know how depression works. It continually keeps us isolated and digging that hole just a little deeper. And one of the problems which we have is to find a group for those who want to be a member of our fellowship. We do have a solution.

We have enlarged our Home Study program so that anyone who wants to join and participate online can do so. We are now taking registrations (just mail us at depanon@netpenny.net saying you want to be a participant.)

The first thing to do is go to our website at https://depressedanonymous.org and click onto Menu at HOME STUDY PROGRAM. Here you will be able to learn in more detail what the Home Study involves.

Secondly, there is an excellent testimonial from Kim at Newsletters (The Antidepressant Tablet Vol.1) about the benefits from her working the Steps with a sponsor. Clicking onto The Depressed Anonymous Publications Bookstore will give you a better idea of what is involved.

We have members of our fellowship who are willing to provide assistance for those who want to use the Workbook and Manual for their own personal recovery. Hopefully this Home Study will enable them to start a group in their own community after having completed the work

There are no fees or dues for this sponsorship. But if your recovery is the most important priority then I do believe you will have a tried and true method of recovery, using the spiritual principles of the Twelve Steps. If purchasing the two books is a problem for you, please let us know. The Publisher has made the two books available with Ebooks. All communication between sponsor and participant will take place via emails.

This is a commitment on your part if you want us to sponsor you. I personally have been in recovery for 35 years and this path has definitely given me peace, sobriety and serenity.

Hugh, for the Depressed Anonymous fellowship

Was I losing my mind?

My thinking started to change around the time that I found myself unable to execute simple activities, like getting out of bed.

I found that my mind was no longer calling the shots. All I wanted to do was sleep. Getting out of bed and going to work was the last thing I wanted to do.
That was then.
This is now.

“came to believe that a power greater than myself could restore me to sanity.”

In the second step we are reminded again that in order to begin the process of recovering from our sadness we begin to look into our lives where we need to find our sense of self and our power.

Our depression used to be our power in that it kept us shackled in depression, a veritable prison of despair and isolation. Now we see that the light is about to shine on us and we can develop our belief in a power greater than ourselves who will deliver us for hope.

To believe that I might gain deliverance from my depression is something that I am beginning to live with for the first time in years. I want to believe that with time, work amid discussion, I will
free myself from this depression.

I need now to write down a list of the things I want to believe in for the present and future so that I might hope that my life will be different.”

Copyright (c) The Depressed Anonymous Workbook.(2002) Depressed Anonymous Publications. Louisville, KY.

Hugh S

Starting a Depressed Anonymous face to face meeting

Perhaps you wish that there was a face to face Depressed Anonymous meeting where you live. There is a solution to that – start one! Here are some pointers that I can share from my experience starting a face to face meeting in my area.

  1. Find another person willing to commit to start a meeting with you
    Of course you could start the meeting on your own it is helpful to share the load with others.
  2. You and others make a time commitment to run the meeting
    I would suggest that make a commitment to yourselves that for a period of time (3-6 months) that even if no one shows up you will run the meeting. This meeting is starting through the force of your and your partners will. You’re not committing forever but rather for that time period. As that time period comes to an end hold a group conscience meeting with the group to determine its future.
  3. Find a place and time to host your meeting
    It could be a church basement, a recovery center, or any place you can secure a room at low or no cost. I recommend that you have a recurring day and time for your meeting so that people can expect you to be there. A meeting that doesn’t have a set time and place is very difficult to build support over time.Try to find a place with a very low cost as you will need to front the money to pay for the first month/week. Some recovery centers price on a sliding scale – the recovery center by me wanted 50% of your 7th tradition contributions. The benefit of this approach is that there is no up front expenses and while your membership is small in the beginning the cost of the room will also be small.
  4. Schedule a launch date/time
    Pretty self explanatory.
  5. Do public outreach
    Announce the meeting at other 12 Step meetings. Although technically you will be violating that other fellowship’s traditions mention that death by suicide is the 10th leading cause of death in the US and many people with addictions are also depressed.

    I collected all the mental health provider addresses from the web portal for my health insurance. You will be sending them a physical letter (the email address will not be posted on the web portal). Initially when I performed that search I found over 200 entries – that amount of postage was more than I was willing to front. I looked at the data and decided that I would only send a letter to those addresses with two or more mental health providers and that list was approximately 45 – a much more bearable financial burden.

    Get the postal addresses of the rehab centers in your community and send letters to them as well.

    Get the addresses of your local county mental health offices and send letters there as well.

    Find community centers and businesses with physical bulletin boards that would be willing to post your flyer announcing your meeting.
  6. Decide on a format for your meeting
    Are you going to be a meeting where you read from Depressed Anonymous literature? Or is the meeting going to be a topic discussion meeting? If it is going to be a literature meeting you will need to have at least one copy of the literature you will be using (textbook, workbook, Higher Thoughts for Down Days, other).

    As your group collects 7th Tradition donations you may want to buy additional copies so that multiple attendees could read.

    Write a first draft of the chairperson script which at the least should start with a moment of silence or a short prayer, reading the 12 Steps of Depressed Anonymous, then describing the format of the meeting.
  7. Have and run the first meeting
    Read your chairperson script. Run the meeting. The meeting doesn’t need to be perfect.
  8. As your commitment time draws to a close hold a group conscience discussion
    As stated in number 2 above you (and partners) decided to run the meeting regardless of support. As that time comes to an end you must be ready to turn the fate of the meeting over to the group. Should the group continue? Who can volunteer to lead meetings? Does the format of the meeting work for the group?

That’s the guide as a nutshell. Don’t take the guide as the only way to do it – it is merely one way that happened to work for me. If it doesn’t fit your needs tailor it to your needs.

Yours in recovery, Bill R

DBT Grounding Techniques – Part 4 Interpersonal Effectiveness

Part 4: Interpersonal Effectiveness – Communicating with Clarity and Confidence

Relationships can be one of the biggest sources of both support and stress. When emotions run high, it’s easy to fall into patterns of people-pleasing, avoidance, or conflict—especially when struggling with anxiety or depression. Interpersonal Effectiveness teaches you how to communicate your needs clearly, set healthy boundaries, and maintain relationships without sacrificing your well-being.

By practicing these skills, you can navigate tough conversations with more confidence and build stronger, more balanced connections. Let’s explore some grounding techniques to help you stay present and intentional in your interactions.

Interpersonal effectiveness helps you navigate relationships in a way that balances your own needs with the needs of others. It focuses on building and maintaining healthy connections, while staying true to your values and boundaries. Below are grounding practices that help manage emotional intensity during interactions and promote balanced, effective communication.

1. DEAR MAN: A Framework for Effective Communication

DEAR MAN is a structured approach to expressing your needs clearly and calmly while maintaining relationships and reducing anxiety.

How to Practice:

  1. Describe
    • Start by stating the situation objectively, without emotion or judgment.
    • Example: “When you borrowed my book and didn’t return it on time…”
  2. Express
    • Share your feelings using “I” statements.
    • Example: “I felt frustrated because I needed it for my class.”
  3. Assert
    • Clearly state what you need or want.
    • Example: “I need you to return borrowed items by the agreed time.”
  4. Reinforce
    • Highlight the benefits of meeting your request.
    • Example: “This way, we can avoid misunderstandings in the future.”
  5. Mindful
    • Stay focused on your goal during the conversation, even if emotions arise.
    • Use phrases like “I understand your point, but…” to stay on track.
  6. Appear Confident
    • Speak with a steady voice, make eye contact, and avoid apologizing excessively.
  7. Negotiate
    • Be willing to find a middle ground if needed.
    • Example: “If Tuesday isn’t possible, can you let me know in advance?”

2. FAST: Upholding Self-Respect in Interactions

FAST is a tool to maintain your self-respect and integrity while engaging with others. It’s particularly useful for setting boundaries or navigating difficult conversations.

How to Practice:

  1. Fair
    • Be fair to yourself and the other person. Avoid self-blame or being overly harsh.
    • Example: “I understand you had a busy week, but I still need to address this.”
  2. Apologies
    • Avoid apologizing unnecessarily or for things beyond your control.
    • Example: Instead of saying, “I’m sorry for bringing this up,” say, “I’d like to discuss something important.”
  3. Stick to Values
    • Stay true to your core values, even if it feels uncomfortable.
    • Example: If honesty is important to you, say what needs to be said respectfully.
  4. Truthful
    • Be honest and avoid exaggerating or sugarcoating.
    • Example: Instead of saying, “You always do this,” say, “This has happened a few times, and it’s affecting me.”

3. Radical Acceptance: Letting Go of the Struggle

Radical acceptance is a practice of acknowledging and accepting situations as they are, without trying to fight reality. This can provide grounding in interpersonal conflicts or when emotions feel overwhelming.

How to Practice:

  1. Acknowledge the Situation:
    • Identify what is happening without judgment.
    • Example: “This person has different priorities than I do right now.”
  2. Accept the Reality:
    • Say to yourself, “It is what it is. I can’t change this situation, but I can choose how I respond.”
  3. Release the Struggle:
    • Let go of the desire for things to be different. This doesn’t mean you condone the situation, but you stop resisting it emotionally.
    • Example: Instead of fixating on someone’s behavior, shift your focus to how you’ll manage your feelings.
  4. Practice Self-Compassion:
    • Remind yourself that acceptance takes time and effort. Be kind to yourself if it feels difficult.

Combining Practices

These techniques can be used individually or together for more complex situations:

  1. Use DEAR MAN to effectively express your needs during a tough conversation.
  2. Apply FAST to maintain your self-respect and boundaries, ensuring you stay true to yourself.
  3. Practice Radical Acceptance if the situation cannot be resolved or changed, helping you ground yourself and let go of unnecessary emotional tension.

The Power of Depressed Anonymous

Originally published 16 July 2014

By Ray

What is the power of Depressed Anonymous?
Well, first let me that when I started attending D. A. meetings I went for a couple of months and then stopped. I stopped going because my depression was so bad I didn’t want to leave my apartment. I didn’t want to be around or talk to anyone. I just didn’t want to do anything except crawl in a hole somewhere and isolate myself from everything. Then after about six week of isolation I called the residential treatment facility where I had been a client to see if I had received any mail there and one of the members of the D. A. group where I attend answered the phone. I spent a few minutes talking to her and there was something in her voice that told me that for some reason it was important for me to be at the meeting. I attended the next D. A. meeting. After the meeting was over, I suddenly realized the importance and power of Depressed Anonymous.

So what is the power of Depressed Anonymous? For me, it’s just like attending the first meeting. I was a little scared and apprehensive at first, but then I found the Depressed Anonymous meeting was a place to go where there were other depressed people just like me. They could relate to and understand what I was going through. They didn’t judge me or think of me as crazy. I was accepted.

Another power of Depressed Anonymous the group and what each person brings to the group. I have seen our fellowship get stronger and grow. I have developed many friendships that I can depend on for support and understanding, I have watched some of the newcomers that have kept coming back, grow and improve, Even something as simple as a smile when there as not before. The miracle of the group empowers and energizes me.

The most important power of Depressed Anonymous is hope. Hope that we will not be
locked in the prison of depression forever and that there is a way out for each of us. A hope that our Higher Power will work the miracle through us and that we will fwd our own happiness. I have hope that our hearts and minds will know love and peace like we have never known or felt before. The power of Depressed Anonymous works for me. I hope and pray that it works for you. Keep coming back!”

Source: DEPRESSED ANONYMOUS, Harmony House Publishers, 1998, Pages 154-155.

A Better Gift

Sometimes it comes to our mind that we have prayed a long time and still it seems that we do not have what we ask for. But we should not be too depressed on this account, for I am sure, according to our Lord’s meaning, that either we are waiting for a better occasion, or more grace, or a better gift.
Julian of Norwich

The Bright Light of Hope

If we have worked the 12 Steps on a daily basis, we now realize the value of surrender and the power that releases in us, just by making a decision in Step Three to “turn our will and our lives over to the care of God, as we understand God” is the beginning of reconnection with life and ourselves. It is in the group that the depressed person begins trusting their members where they have admitted that their lives are unmanageable, and that they have made a conscious decision to turn their lives over to God, or the Higher Power. The Twelve Step program helps people to become God conscious. It is in working the program while making no excuses for the spiritual nature of our recovery, we can begin to attribute our new-found sense of hope and peace to the Higher Power. For the active member of Depressed Anonymous there begins to glimmer in the distance, the bright light of hope.

Submitted by Janet M.

Coming to DA I learned how to be free from saddening myself

When I was about twelve I heard the term manic depression for the first time.  I did not understand the definition I was given but I knew it had something to do with me. It was then that I began the process of hiding my sadness and negative emotions because the message from those around me was that being sad and afraid was unacceptable.  More than once in grade school teachers called me aside to ask about what might be going on in my life that could cause me to isolate on the playground.  I did not know what to tell them as I did not understand myself, but it was the beginning of habitual self-abandonment.

Throughout my teens, I had continued periods of isolation and social hyper-activity.  I became an introvert but disguised myself as an extrovert.  To hide my social anxiety and fear I got involved in school plays, clubs and leadership.  I began to split my personality between the boy who made his family and friends laugh and the boy who cloistered himself in his bedroom.  Escapism began to be a big part of my thinking and desires.  In college I became even more depressed and felt more isolated.  I habitually cut class and spent the days dissociating by “philosophizing.”  I was clearly searching for personal significance and a connection to a God of my understanding.  I felt alone like never before with the increasing awareness of the great disparity between the world I came from and the world I was faced with in college

In graduate school I maintained a high degree of involvement in the department and in the school leadership.  I cultivated a robust social life finally being accepted and stimulated socially, culturally and intellectually.  For the first time in my life I felt accepted among an understanding group of professors and colleagues that nurtured me just as I was.  I learned a great deal in a safe environment, one that I never knew existed, and I excelled intellectually in a manner I never thought possible.  I proved to myself that I was worthy and able to perform in academia.  Still, I often cried myself to sleep wishing I was dead and not understanding why.  I developed PTSD after 9/11 and as the depression became unmanageable I spiraled into near homelessness.

After discovering DA I came to know that I was not alone but that other people had gone through the same things I had or worse.  I found a group of people that understood what it is to be depressed and accepted my story without judgment or added stigma.  DA relieved me of the stigma of being damaged beyond repair that had plagued me my entire life.  Coming to DA made me realize I was not the only one carrying the burden of depression.  I was not chronically alone.  I was not isolated in the despair of depression.

Through DA and hearing other people’s shares I realized my experiences were a valid source of the disappointment, dismay and depression I had been feeling all my life.  I learned also that surviving those experiences could be a source of strength that testified to my perseverance over them.  This self-awareness has also given me new found hope that had been missing from my outlook on my life and future.   Hearing others’ experiences as well as working the steps has given me hope: the hope that, yes, I can manage depression and live a fuller life.  Most importantly learning the concept of saddening myself has done more to liberate me from sadness.  I know now that my mind and emotions have been conditioned to recreate my past sadness which was instilled in me by others and society.  Now I can recognize the manner in which I sadden myself and take the steps to stop it and reverse it.

January 2024, Luis, NYC